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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:45:00 - [1] Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:50:00 - [2] Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. well said! Just saying what I guess most CAOD readers outside the goonswarm coalition are thinking ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2009 23:55:26 Originally by: Captain Soki Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Hargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. If you take your goon C**ksucking glasses off you will see goons are not the only ones upset at this unfortunate and blatant favortism. as far as what happened to BOB it was allowed because that could be the consequence of ANY alliance. However the name change was only granted to a particular group of people. Either you have no idea about rules and ethics( even in videoames) or you have been trolling so long thats all you know. either way i wouldnt want to be you for a second of your best day. You seem a little bit too upset by a namechange to be a truly neutral observer there sport. Something tells me you aren't quite as independent as you might claim. But the reality of the situation is that as far as I'm concerned Goonswarm effectively cheated in establishing the Band of Brothers corporation to block the recreation of the Band of Brothers alliance in the first place. The GM's have basically ennacted a compromise resolution here. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Zumbala Disbanding an alliance the way it was done was not possible within the documentation. Untrue. Well, in fact there is no documentation about that. You are incorrect. There was documentation - it was flawed and out of date of course - but it certainly didn't suggest that one man could auto-destruct an entire alliance. Quote: So there was no stament of if it was possible or not. But CCP always made clear what is an exploit or not. Interesting you should say that since in the past CCP have acted to remove individual character and corporation names that are attempting to impersonate another entity. It certainly used to say in the eula that impersonating other in-game entities was a breach of the rules. I know from personal experience that CCP have acted to rename impersonating entities on petition. I found it very strange that they didn't choose to act against the Band of Brothers alt corp that was established to block the creation of an alliance since that seemed to be a exploit clear and simple. Quote: The difference with the aliance renaming is that CCP clearly stated that this was not possible. End of story. CCP have renamed individuals and corporations in the past and there have been quite large discussions around some of them. Look back into the 4S/SAS "scandal" in Keiron's time for an example. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:04:00 - [5] Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are fairly to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. I'd petition it as such, citing intentional impersonation and exploitation of game mechanics to prevent recreation of my alliance. I consider the goons cheated of the Band of Brother alt corp move. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch But not as far as the rules of the game are concerned. Well I know that GM's will rename individual characters and corporations that are attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. I know that GM's will give players warnings for some kinds of obstructive gameplay that exploits a mechanic to damage the enjoyment and gameplay of other players. Try perma-bumping a freighter in hisec to prevent the player from approaching a gate and see how long it takes for you to be told to stop it for example. This decision to obstruct the recreation of band of brothers alliance by sitting on a corp name was intentional exploitation of the naming mechanic to block a group of players from re-establishing their identity. Its cheating. CCP should have simply renamed your corp and let Band of Brothers be recreated properly. Instead they have done a compromise. No point crying about it - just play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Lumen Atra So, what do you think of the fact that beaver (aka Kenny) didn't have to lose sov or pay 1bil to change their name? I believe this is the biggest issue people, not just goons, are taking issue with. I'd guess that was the GM decision based on petitions that would have been made at the time against goonswarm exploiting the naming mechanic - its probably taken several weeks to come to this decision and its something they will have considered pretty fair and reasonable. Who knows, maybe bob paid the gm's 1b to do it. Unlikely we'll ever know. And from what I can see its virtually 100% goons and goonish coalition members that are currently threadnaughting. Quote: Do you believe this to be a fair decision and, if so, why? I think its an entirely fair decision. But if it was me - I'd have renamed the goon Band of Brothers corp to "corpname1131301931" within about 24 hours of it being done and allowed molle to recreate Band of Brothers if he wanted to do it. To my taste there is absolutely no good that comes to the game of eve online by letting people destroy the identity of in-game corporations and alliances with sordid little metagamy exploits like blocking alliance naming with alt corps. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2009 00:09:56 Originally by: The Qat there was no cheating involved, they were disbanded by a person with the correct permissions who wished to disband them Really, I think you are failing to read the argument. If (for example) my alliance was disbanded in this way and somebody went ahead and created a corp called "the star fraction" to block me from recreating "the star fraction" alliance I'd consider that cheating and a direct exploit of the entity naming system in eve online. Not 'if' but 'when' Case in point. You consider this kind of thing valid gameplay. I consider it cheating. Rather than attacking CCP for its "bias" you goons should be praising your lucky stars that CCP turns a blind eye to the destructive anti-game vendettas your leadership periodically unleashes onto the official forums. You are quite deluded if you think ANY other developer would let you get away with this stuff. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood This is not about a name change this is not about what happend to BOB.. This is about the game itself.. Not about factions, enemies or friends its about the game. The little virtuel reality thousends of people play. This little virtuel reality is bound by surden universal rules.. Just like in real life, there is rules of nature, rules we cant change, no matter how much we will.. For example gravity... Of course you are completely wrong. Rules change when they need to. Its clear to everyone outside the goon coalition that the alliance disband was ridiculous. For 3000 players to lose their alliance identity with one-click from a director level emocide while I can't even fire somebody from my corp without a 24 hour waiting period is the height of insanity. It was an embarrassment for a game that sells itself on alliance building and space empires to allow a glitch like this to suddenly totally imbalance a huge space war and deliver an entirely hollow victory to a side that hadn't hitherto fired a shot in pursuit of glory. But what did CCP do? They toughed it out thats what and allowed the disbanding to stand and forced Band of Brothers to lose everything. Fair enough. But it was insult to injury that Darius JOHNSON created the Band of Brothers alt corp to prevent the proper Band of Brothers alliance from re-establishing its name. It was also CHEATING. So now we have a crowd of players who stole a victory they didn't deserve howling with upset and rage that the referees have allowed the downed opponent their name back. Its pathetic and its small. I think everybody knows that CCP will change the Alliance disband mechanic because of this incident. The rules will change. They have changed in the past and they will change again in the future. Quote: What would happend if surdenly the chinese defided gravity by some higher godly intervention. I bet the rest of the world will start wondering wtf is going on.. Good comparison Quote: Thats why people are ****ed.. And im preatty sure you intelligent enough to realise this. The goons are annoyed because a stolen victory has slightly been soured by their opponents getting their name back. Tough. Play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Zumbala That is definitly not the same thing. The BoB corp was created not to fake being The BoB alliance. That is the main difference. No one who know the alliance BoB could decently pretend that the corp in Goonswarm called BoB is the same thing. They did not try to stell their identity, really. Well I saw fake press releases from a fake molle character in the fake band of brothers corp. I've seen fake recruitment posts, fake political posts, hell, even a fake surrender or two. It was an attempt to steal the identity and block the appropriate recreation of the entity by exploiting a flawed naming mechanic in the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Challic Last I checked this game was made up of over 200,000 individuals... And goons are 5000, why don't you try to stop spamming up the forums and threadnaughting as if you represented more than 2.5% of the game's subscribers? ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Itzena If the disbanding of BoB was 'wrong' as you claim, CCP would have reversed it. The disbanding of BOB was a flawed game mechanic. The game mechanic in question will be fixed almost certainly. The blocking of Band of Brothers re-establishment by setting up an impersonation alt corp was something that looked very much like an exploit. Looks like that has been reversed (at least to a degree). ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD

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